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	<title>Comments on: Why I Hate Cliques</title>
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		<title>By: nobody</title>
		<link>http://z-studios.com/blog/2007/06/04/why-i-hate-cliques/#comment-39584</link>
		<dc:creator>nobody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 20:12:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is no such thing as a good clique.</description>
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		<title>By: KradProductions</title>
		<link>http://z-studios.com/blog/2007/06/04/why-i-hate-cliques/#comment-400</link>
		<dc:creator>KradProductions</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2007 19:57:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cliques can be nasty things, and to say that I'm not part of the problem (if it could be considered a problem) is an outright lie. I eat lunch day in and day out with the same 4 guys in the same location at school (we have an open campus lunch). It might as well be universally known that it is OUR spot and no one else's. Occasionally, somebody not in the "clique" will stop by. This is tolerated and often totally cool if that somebody is friends with one of us. But once in a while a straggler shows up and that's when it gets gross. A week or two ago it happened actually, this kid that all of us knew but none of us really liked. If you knew him you knew that he was really "clingy" and didn't have any real friends that we knew of. All of us became dead silent and looked at each other like "why the hell is he here?" He started to make small talk with one of us and we kind of played along uncomfortably until one of us started making verbal jabs at him. It was very cruel and totally undeserved- with one intent- to make him leave. This alone was gross but what was worse was that none of us stood up for him and he just left, probably very confused and hurt.

There was this other time when I was in study hall talking to a friend of mine (who wasn't in the "clique"). We were talking about games and I told him how me and some friends (the "clique") had regular Halo and Gears of War parties and how we were actually having one that Friday. He was obviously interested and asked if he could come. I felt so totally stupid for leaving the door wide open and I was trying to find a polite way of closing it quickly. Why? Why would it be so wrong to have someone new hang out with us? I don't know. Pack mentality I guess. I don't think the best of us can escape it.

But cliques can be good. With that pack mentality comes protection. You grow together as a group and start looking out for each other. As apt as a person would be to tell off an outsider, the same person would most likely be more apt to tell off someone picking on one of the clique's members. I think the door can swing both ways.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cliques can be nasty things, and to say that I&#8217;m not part of the problem (if it could be considered a problem) is an outright lie. I eat lunch day in and day out with the same 4 guys in the same location at school (we have an open campus lunch). It might as well be universally known that it is OUR spot and no one else&#8217;s. Occasionally, somebody not in the &#8220;clique&#8221; will stop by. This is tolerated and often totally cool if that somebody is friends with one of us. But once in a while a straggler shows up and that&#8217;s when it gets gross. A week or two ago it happened actually, this kid that all of us knew but none of us really liked. If you knew him you knew that he was really &#8220;clingy&#8221; and didn&#8217;t have any real friends that we knew of. All of us became dead silent and looked at each other like &#8220;why the hell is he here?&#8221; He started to make small talk with one of us and we kind of played along uncomfortably until one of us started making verbal jabs at him. It was very cruel and totally undeserved- with one intent- to make him leave. This alone was gross but what was worse was that none of us stood up for him and he just left, probably very confused and hurt.</p>
<p>There was this other time when I was in study hall talking to a friend of mine (who wasn&#8217;t in the &#8220;clique&#8221;). We were talking about games and I told him how me and some friends (the &#8220;clique&#8221;) had regular Halo and Gears of War parties and how we were actually having one that Friday. He was obviously interested and asked if he could come. I felt so totally stupid for leaving the door wide open and I was trying to find a polite way of closing it quickly. Why? Why would it be so wrong to have someone new hang out with us? I don&#8217;t know. Pack mentality I guess. I don&#8217;t think the best of us can escape it.</p>
<p>But cliques can be good. With that pack mentality comes protection. You grow together as a group and start looking out for each other. As apt as a person would be to tell off an outsider, the same person would most likely be more apt to tell off someone picking on one of the clique&#8217;s members. I think the door can swing both ways.</p>
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		<title>By: overman</title>
		<link>http://z-studios.com/blog/2007/06/04/why-i-hate-cliques/#comment-399</link>
		<dc:creator>overman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2007 17:50:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To clarify, the "Yeah, so?" was more about being labelled a "clique" than it was an all out embrace of exclusivity.  Nobody was celebrating exclusivity or elitism at all.  Basically, it seems that more people tend to give the word "clique" the benefit of the doubt than not, and I think that was a big part of why I felt so out of sync... because my personal experiences and biases make it difficult for me to assume the label has any worthwhile positive connotation.

Just another example, I suppose, of why language is so interesting.  Ludwig Wittgenstein had some interesting writings in that vein, talking about the fact that what a reader brings with him/her TO the text sometimes can overshadow the inherent impact of the text itself.  I don't remember him saying whether that was a good thing or bad, my recollection is that it was just a trait of reality he was observing in the context of language as a whole.  It certainly seems apt here, though.  My own issues with the words grew such that I lost all consideration for the author's intent.

That intent is always a guessing game anyway, really.  Misinterpretations probably account for a good many internet squabbles.  And that's REALLY easy for me to remember now that it's over.  In the heat, it so often gets lost.  It's a weakness I'll have to keep working on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To clarify, the &#8220;Yeah, so?&#8221; was more about being labelled a &#8220;clique&#8221; than it was an all out embrace of exclusivity.  Nobody was celebrating exclusivity or elitism at all.  Basically, it seems that more people tend to give the word &#8220;clique&#8221; the benefit of the doubt than not, and I think that was a big part of why I felt so out of sync&#8230; because my personal experiences and biases make it difficult for me to assume the label has any worthwhile positive connotation.</p>
<p>Just another example, I suppose, of why language is so interesting.  Ludwig Wittgenstein had some interesting writings in that vein, talking about the fact that what a reader brings with him/her TO the text sometimes can overshadow the inherent impact of the text itself.  I don&#8217;t remember him saying whether that was a good thing or bad, my recollection is that it was just a trait of reality he was observing in the context of language as a whole.  It certainly seems apt here, though.  My own issues with the words grew such that I lost all consideration for the author&#8217;s intent.</p>
<p>That intent is always a guessing game anyway, really.  Misinterpretations probably account for a good many internet squabbles.  And that&#8217;s REALLY easy for me to remember now that it&#8217;s over.  In the heat, it so often gets lost.  It&#8217;s a weakness I&#8217;ll have to keep working on.</p>
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